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Placing Stop Losses

Posted by Fetor 16 Comments

This is a fundamental skill necessary for trading. First of all the most important thing to grasp is that you should never ever trade without a stop. Even if you are looking to exit manually at a stop point you should at least have a stop in place somewhere beyond just in the case that something goes wrong. You don’t want to be floating a potential huge loss on account of just not having a stop in place.

The formula that I use is “what is the lowest possible risk that gives me the greatest opportunity to win.” Often what new traders will do is first determine stop placement on account of money management. You should not first dictate stop placement based on money management. Money management is a secondary concern. It is a concern, just a secondary one. We don’t want to choose our stop points based on arbitrary pip amounts. Every trade is different and may require a different stop distance depending on point of entry, etc. The first thing to consider when looking to place your stop is location based on real trading principles. That is why I use the above given formula. I first think through what is the lowest possible risk in a location that gives me the best opportunity to win.

Where are these “best opportunities to win” located? Since the market can only move in one of two directions and since the basic overall structure of the market is to work in zones of support and resistance then these “best opportunity to win” locations are going to be those prices where the probability of the market continuing against your position increases exponentially. Part of the process is then looking for critical price points where if the price continues you are going to want to liquidate your position to protect your capital. The good thing is that these points also provide you with the possible opportunity of exiting your losing position and looking for a new entry to recover loss. This is not to be done on a whim under emotional duress, but with proper understanding of market movement and an ability to think of the new position as a separate trade. You are in essence liquidating one position to protect capital, and taking a brand new position apart from the previous based on legitimate market price levels that have triggered a legitimate entry.

Once those areas have been evaluated then the issue of money management comes into play. At this point you need to determine potential loss. Adjustments might need to be made to the number of lots or your entry price in order for the established plan to fall in line with your money management. And that is how money management plays a roll. You first establish the stop points for the trade and then look for how your money management will fall into place with your established plan. Until your money management falls in line you wait and adjust accordingly, but you do not trade. The first object of any trader is to protect the capital that you have, the second being to manage risk.

Following these principles functions as a fail safe to keep you from compulsive trading. Compulsive trading is a common problem among new traders and a danger to your capital.

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  • Kerry

    This has got to be one of the best post on this site I have read… All traders should heed this advice. Before I began winning, STOPS weren’t considered 1st and foremost, Proper stop placement has kept me in the game trading for a living for 4 years now.

    Thanks again!!
    ForexKerry

  • MiG

    Hi Fetor,

    Indeed it is a very good post! Thanks for sharing this valuable information.

    @Kerry (ForexKerry): you say you are trading for a living for 4 years now. What trading system are you using?

    Thanks again Fetor! Keep up the good posts!

    MiG

  • Kerry

    First I dont trade a system, I trade a method, not to be rude just dont like the word System.

    I trade S/R breakouts and bounces, no indicators, I set up Daily, 4 hour lines and 1 hour lines. I trade the 1 hour chart. Eur/USD ONLY my goal is 20 pips per day, 100 pips per week, When my goal is met I shut down and do what I do best. Spend time with my family and friends.

    i have been reading this site for about 8 months give or take a month or so. I really like the simplicity they teach although the few times I have been in the Chat Room not many here take there advice.

    Follow there methods, read, learn and read again then apply..

    Thanks Mig Happy Trading.
    ForexKerry

    • http://www.forex4noobs.com/blogfet/ Fetor

      I have to agree with you Kerry about people not taking good trading advice. It’s amazing how in the chat room, forums, blogs, etc. people will jump from system to system always looking for a new method or new whatever-they-think-will-fix-their-problems and make them instant profitable traders. If people would just learn to work at sticking with basic trading techniques and learn to keep things simple using the buying and selling and price setting in the market they would find themselves really learning how to trade. But as it is said, you can lead a horse to water…..

  • MiG

    Thanks Kerry for taking the time to answer me.

    I like your method, it’s simple and apparently it is working well. If you agree, I would like to know more and talk with you. But I don’t know how to share emails here in private and I don’t know if you would accept.

    But you are definitely very inspiring Kerry.

    I will follow your advices and work hard.

    Happy trading,
    MiG

  • MiG

    I think Fetor and Kerry you have the pretty same method as far as I understood.

    You trade supply and demand on R/S without any indicator. Only using the market.

    I really like this style, it is simple and I am sure it works well.

    Please keep up the good work Fetor, you have amazing training/webinars!

    Cheers,
    MiG

  • Chukk

    Those who say they aim for 20 pips a day, how many lot sizes do you trade?

  • Kerry

    This is why most people lose it has nothing to do with Lot Size. It has to do with your specific goals. What is your plan? How many hours per day do you want to trade, do you have set parameters or do you hope that train keeps on rolling.

    And to answer your specific question I trade 5 for that also is part of my plan and allows me to get in get out and move on for the day.

    I also look at ADR, some days I may get 40 pips if the spread on the S/R looks good . But my Goal (key word) is 20 per day, which allows me to meet my weekly goal of 100 pips.

    I hope this clarifys..

    ForexKerry

  • Chukk

    Thanks for your clarification. Though I thought that ‘it has nothing to do with lot sizes’ misses the point, as I believe it DOES have a lot to do with it.
    I asked that from my own struggling experience. Targeting 20 pips with a 5 lot size and targeting 20 pips with 0.10 lot size makes a whole lot of difference and has an obvious psychological effect. While in the first case, 20 pips is more than enough ‘psychologically’ for the day, 0.10 pips means let’s say $20 bucks a day. If you understand what I mean, every newbie would be TEMPTED to trade more cuz $20 bucks a day ‘is just not worth the efforts’. This, no matter what your parameters and all…
    What a newbie needs is a ‘positive exhortation’ in that regard and not some… “This-is- why- some- people- lose, -it- has- nothing- to- do- with- lot- size” mantra
    Thanks

  • Kerry

    Thanks for your reply: I did not mean to sound arrogant but I did receive the exact response i new I would get.

    If one is trading.10 and makes $20 per day and say starts with $2000, that is $400 per month or roughly with holidays and just not wanting to trade days $4500. (Exceptional return). I would think that would be very positive psycologically.

    So it is not lot size, learn to trade a method a simple method making a planned set of pips which is based on how the pair usually moves and you can make all the money you want.

    Whats easier learning to pull a few pips or hoping u catch a whole days ADR.

    I once was a Noob and lost 1000′s worried about Lot Size and makng alot of money, when I focused on Pips things came togther.

    Thanks
    ForexKerry

  • Chukk

    Thank you Kerry for the positive exchanges. I hope I become better and I hope you make more.
    Thanks

  • Ken

    Thoroughly agree Fetor. When I first started trading, I just went by MM, straight up 10-15-20 pt SL. Then I started realizing that sometimes that SL was 5 points above a support line. Trade would go against me, take out my SL, bounce off support then turn green. Now I place my stops below support or above resistance. Now I take a look at the bigger picture before deciding where to put it. But make no mistake, the first thing I do after entering a trade is put in a hard stop somewhere. I never leave a trade wide open for more than a few seconds.

  • MiG

    Kerry, you are very inspiring!

    Is it possible to meet you in the chat room sometime? When?

    Thanks,
    MiG

  • Kerry

    MiG,

    I was in last night for a while, you are welcome to email me at forexkerry@gmail.com, i may not get back quick but I will get back to ya.

  • Duncs

    Thanks Fetor

    The more I’m reminded the more it’s sure to sink in

    Appreciated

    Duncs

  • Roberto

    Hi Fetor,

    First of all thank you for the videos in your blog. Fetor, I would like to know if you could make a short video showing how you draw the S/R lines and its range (lines close together) in a chart starting from scratch. I cannot visualize the range.
    I do not speak English very well but I hope that you have understood.
    Roberto