U.S. elections...

[dallia]

I'll trust you on this, since I don't listen to these people, but I know from a poll I saw of Moveon.org members, Hillary was rated consistently lower than either Obama, Edwards or Kucinich by the members when all of them were in the race. She's not that left. So what exactly makes her a leftist besides the red baiting bit, which is so retro? What particular postitons?

[jack778]

brodi54 excellant point. Don't forget the paper she wrote and now has in lock down because of some of her views. The whole problem with these elections is the majority of people do not know what the are talking about. They listen to the media who is one sided and believe everything they here. I saw an interview the other day with Jerry Springer ( what a winner) and he is a democrat and thinks it would be just great if either one won due to the fact one would be the first women the other the first black. That is plain ignorance not based on there views and how it would help the country. I think though a lot of Americans think the same way which is scary. To much of the country wants a free ride and the democrats would sure love to give it to them. Take socialized healthcare they think it's so great yet the country's that have it hate it. If congress can't run social security what in the world would make anyone think they could run a healthcare system for millions of people. Anyhow that's my 2 cents.

[dallia]

Originally Posted by jack778

. If congress can't run social security what in the world would make anyone think they could run a healthcare system for millions of people. Anyhow that's my 2 cents.

Which healthcare system are you saying the government doesn't run Medicare, Medicaid or Champus for the Miltary, besides providing coverage for a few million Federal Employees. Are we watching Penn and Teller again ? I work for one of the very largest Healthcare insurers and we can't even begin to compete with Medicare for it's low cost delivery and cheap claims payment system. Heck we are even in favor of insuring the insured, no one wants the uninsured they drive up our costs and we have no control over these low lifes. Single provider isn't the only solution to healthcare delivery. When the U.S. ranks close to Cuba in life expectency, you know something off given our wealth. But I hope you conservatives stick to your views on this one, no matter what.

[jack778]

Well not to get into a debate but I don't know where to start. Medicaid or Champus. Champus sure it covers military thats great until you actually need something. I know quite a few military personal who would tell you that when they need an operation it is not done near fast enough. Personal friend was put on the back buner several months and ended up paying out of pocket. To say an ininsured is a low life because they may have a pre existing condition. WHAT!!!! The uninsured well most had no choice the insurance co put them in this category. I would almost bet 100% of the people that have cancer who can't get coverage would tell you to take it back and they would be more then willing to be in the insurable catergory. That is like saying if you have been in a single car wreck you are uninsurable. Why because it's all about the dollar.

[brodi54]

Daliia said:" I know from a poll I saw of Moveon.org members, Hillary was rated consistently lower than either Obama, Edwards or Kucinich by the members when all of them were in the race. She's not that left. So what exactly makes her a leftist besides the red baiting bit, which is so retro? What particular postitons?" -Well compared to Obama, Edwards or Kucinich then Hillary doesn't seem too far left. That was the strategy that the Clinton's were counting on when going up against Obama. The problem is that Obama surprised Bill and Hillary by esentially being articulate and likeable 2 things Hillary is not. Anyway what makes Hillary Clinton far left-well #1 Universal Health Care is 1 position, #2 pulling out of Iraq is another although that position is echoed by most Americans #3 Hillary would nominate judges like a Ruth Bader-Ginsberg who was formerly of the ACLU which is a anti-American organization-can anyone say NAMBLA? #4 Hillary believes in Income redistribution-tax the rich and give back more to the poor. Hillary believes that bigger government is the solution. Bigger government is just more beauracracy. Hillary believes in the fairness doctrine as far as talk radio is concerned which is a attack on free-speech. The fairness doctrine is basically proposed legislation which might be made law one day. It proposes that both political sides conservative and liberal be heard on the same radio station. If a particular radio station has a number of successful conservative radio talk show hosts then the fairness doctrine would demand that a liberal voice be heard on that same station. This goes against freedom of speech as far as I am concerned. The market should decide who should be on the radio based on ratings rather than a stupid law. The liberals want to do this because talk radio is one of the areas where Conservatives are kicking liberals in the ass! Air America? This would be like dictating that Hollywood which makes 99% liberal movies should now make more conservative films.Ridiculous!

[dallia]

Originally Posted by jack778

To say an ininsured is a low life because they may have a pre existing condition. WHAT!!!! The uninsured well most had no choice the insurance co put them in this category.

Low life is strictly from an insurer's perspective. I was being humorious. The uninsured need medical coverage, unless they are here illegally. Then they should be neutered/spayed and released. Some state's like Maryland or Illinois have an insurance carrier who is forced to cover people who have a pre-existing conditions and can't get coverage, Illinois had this for at least 15 years. But the policies are expensive.

Sorry about your friend, I know coverage by Champus if you live off base can be a huge hassle for even routine things like allergy shots, but at least it's a medical coverage.

[dpdawson]

Ending the pointless war in Iraq is not leftist, it's common sensist. It is impossible to keep our troop levels where they are currently for more than a few more months without completely riding our military into the ground. Almost 20% of our National Guard troops are serving overseas, mostly in Iraq. We need them here in case of national emergencies like hurricanes and forest fires.

The idea behind equal time on the airwaves is that the airwaves are a limited, public resources and should not be monopolized by one viewpoint. I agree that the people advocating the fairness doctrine are doing so because it benefits people with their viewpoint more than their opponents', but what else is new? Our courts have agreed that the equal time doctrine does not violate the constitution and the fairness doctrine grew out of that idea, so become a lawyer and change that if you want.

Income redistribution goes both ways. Income redistribution, GOP-style. - By Timothy Noah - Slate Magazine

[brodi54]

Liberal activists judges( like a Ruth Bader-Ginsburg formerly of the ACLU) have agreed that equal time doctrine does not violate the constitution. Conservative judges have argued otherwise. Monopolizing one view point should not be dictated by the government-Big Brother but by the marketplace of ideas. Should CNN be forced to have more conservatives on? What about PBS-this is funded by the govermant and is clearly a leftist channel and so is CSPAN. This in my opinion violates free speech. Sure income redistribution goes both ways but you do not punish the producers-the movers and shakers of society by giving breaks to to the poor at the expense of the rich.

[dallia]

So the case against Hillary is
1. She wrote some sort of leftist paper in college with a communist professor. Hmmm
I wrote an A+ paper on Hitler under a right wing professor... and had a professor married to a commie, a big Hungarian commie.
2. She would appoint a moderate centrist woman to the court. Bader-Ginzburg did support Bush's side in 2000 along with the majority of the Supreme Court.
3. Wants the fair time doctrine enforced. Hmmm what's wrong with having the left and the right on both sides of an issue being presented on a what is essentially government or publicly owned air waves. They make billions off of something we the people gave the networks for free, and there is very little news being presented. Is someone trying to muzzle someone. PBS was also supported by the rightests who saw it as an opportunity to present their own views without paying for them. CSPAN is run by the lefties at COX and COMCAST communications, you know the cable guys and the networks who are all owned by somebody else listed on Wall street.
3. She wants out of Iraq. Lots of people want out of Iraq, right now it's only Pelosi, Bush and McCain who want to stay in. So the American people are dirty leftists.
4. Income redistribution... Is that the tax cuts for the middle class. Got me on that one, heck I'm for that one.

Really doesn't sound like much of case of her being a leftist. Maybe Raoul Castro should run instead of Hillary.

[dpdawson]

Please list the liberal activist judges who have conspired since 1927 to keep the equal-time rule constitutional.